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« on: October 03, 2006, 09:22:57 AM » |
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After seeing Roy Oswalt claim the NL ERA title this year, it made me wonder if MMP isn't becoming a hitter-neutral park. Last year Roger Clemens won the NL ERA title, while Andy Pettitte and Roy Oswalt were in the Top 5. The year before that, Clemens was among the leaders with a sub-3.00 ERA.
What do the stats say about MMP now vs. the league averages?
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EasTexAstro
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 10:00:27 AM » |
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ESPN Park Factors Through this measurement, Minute Maid Park is just slightly hitter friendly, falling at 13th out of 30 parks.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2006, 11:35:20 AM » |
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ESPN Park Factors
Through this measurement, Minute Maid Park is just slightly hitter friendly, falling at 13th out of 30 parks.
MMP was 23rd last year and 14th the year before. These Park Factors change quite a bit from year-to-year. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 11:38:31 AM » |
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....What do the stats say about MMP now vs. the league averages?
They say that if you have players like Oswalt, Clemens, Pettitte, Wheeler, Ensberg, Lane, Everett, and Ausmus, on a team, there's not going to be a lot of runs scored. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2006, 11:56:04 AM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2006, 12:33:40 PM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
It was in the beginning. But then the Astros got some pitchers who could pitch and some players who could catch the ball. The ballpark didnt change, (except for the painted line, there might be something there.) but runs scored at the ballpark went down. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 12:35:33 PM » |
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being very simplistic (which i seem to do well) its like when you move in a new house and have to get used to all the nooks and crannys before it becomes home. so much for the juice box label
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 12:40:07 PM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
One thing that does change is the collection of ballparks across the league. If Minute Maid were the only new park, and everyone else were still playing in the same places they did in the '70s and '80s, then Minute Maid might still stand out. Since a lot of teams play in a park with similar dimensions, Minute Maid doesn't stand out like it used to. |
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 12:44:58 PM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 02:40:12 PM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
It was in the beginning. But then the Astros got some pitchers who could pitch and some players who could catch the ball. The ballpark didnt change, (except for the painted line, there might be something there.) but runs scored at the ballpark went down.
I pulling this out of, say, some dark nook and/or cranny, so take it for what it is worth; but wasn't the moving of the yellow line in left center up about, say, twenty feet prior to '01 (I would have said, say, "after '00", but I don't think 2000 actually happened) a pretty significant direct component in bringing down offensive numbers? What is funny is, that was 6 years ago, but there are still nitwits on ESPN and elsewhere who refer to MMPUS as "Ten Run Field" and "Coors Lite."
BTW, I don't think your point about the lineup and its effect on park factors is, say, totally invalid. I always thought it was weaker hitters who took advantage of park friendliness on the road, moreso than Berkman, say, who, to paraphrase Joe Garigiola, "could hit it out of any park, including Yellowstone." Say. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 03:02:14 PM » |
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yeah but it is a comparisson to home v road, so kinda beside the point P. From Conocco to the Rf Alley is huge, the ball doesn't seem to jump to right field, at all, so basically it is a short porch to the crawford boxes- big freaking deal.
It was in the beginning. But then the Astros got some pitchers who could pitch and some players who could catch the ball. The ballpark didnt change, (except for the painted line, there might be something there.) but runs scored at the ballpark went down.
I pulling this out of, say, some dark nook and/or cranny, so take it for what it is worth; but wasn't the moving of the yellow line in left center up about, say, twenty feet prior to '01 (I would have said, say, "after '00", but I don't think 2000 actually happened) a pretty significant direct component in bringing down offensive numbers? What is funny is, that was 6 years ago, but there are still nitwits on ESPN and elsewhere who refer to MMPUS as "Ten Run Field" and "Coors Lite."
BTW, I don't think your point about the lineup and its effect on park factors is, say, totally invalid. I always thought it was weaker hitters who took advantage of park friendliness on the road, moreso than Berkman, say, who, to paraphrase Joe Garigiola, "could hit it out of any park, including Yellowstone." Say.
2000? 2000? hmmm, nope, nothing. Musta been sedated the entire time. The painted line was something they could do to help. But the Crawfords couldnt be moved. To be precise, they did move them, according to some. We're just not informed enough to have realized it. I think the biggest influence on fewer runs, even if it's just in comparison to other parks, is pitchers who could get the batter to hit the ball in the middle of the field and on the ground. Then there's the fielders who can catch the ball. That accounts for the visiting teams' runs. But of course they did these things in other ball parks as well. The Astros hitters that have played in the BUS have been unreliable, at home and away. |
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