Scotus Upholds PPACA, but calls the individual mandate a "tax"

[BizidyDizidy]

Not sure what you mean. Democrats, who have been talking about health care reform for a long time, had both sides of congress and the presidency.

Weren't there shenanigans about passing it when no one was there?

[subnuclear]

Weren't there shenanigans about passing it when no one was there?

There was a lot of BS, but passing the legislation that they were elected for really isn't "ramming" as much as dealing with a screwy legislative process. 

[EasTexAstro]

Just curious, how should public transportation be funded?  You can't ride it until it is built.

I don't know. How? Riders? Communities? Cities? States? Regions? What does the federal government have to do with riding between UH and downtown Houston?

FEMA?  do away with it?

They help handle national emergencies. That seems to be part of the federal government's job. That is different, to me, to saying I have to pay someone to handle my healthcare.

I've been chastised here before for my healthcare choices, but I stand by them. I have catastrophic coverage for my family and pay my doctors out of pocket for routine care (which is WAY cheaper than insurance). Now, I get to pay more so the government can be involved, or pay an insurance company more than what my health care needs are, and those costs will probably go up due to paperwork and regulation.

I'm not sure how that service is covered in protecting our borders, interstate commerce, infrastructure, or our judicial system without a major change to our constitution. It seems to be constitutional, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

[EasTexAstro]

Next thing you know they'll be making me pay social security tax when I'm not even retired.

You are counting on social security?

[sporadic]

Not sure what you mean. Democrats, who have been talking about health care reform for a long time, had both sides of congress and the presidency.

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

[Bench]

I've been chastised here before for my healthcare choices, but I stand by them. I have catastrophic coverage for my family and pay my doctors out of pocket for routine care (which is WAY cheaper than insurance). Now, I get to pay more so the government can be involved, or pay an insurance company more than what my health care needs are, and those costs will probably go up due to paperwork and regulation.

Your employer doesn't provide you with health insurance?

/ducking

[sporadic]

Your employer doesn't provide you with health insurance?

/ducking

He will have to soon enough, or will be partaking in this tax as well...

[Limey]

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

Weren't Obama and his fellow Democrats swept into power on a promise to change things, including a comprehensive reform of health insurance?

My understanding is that much of the unpopularity of Obamacare was fomented by Republicans who claimed it was an attack on Medicare and would explode the budget.  Neither of which was true.  Republicans rode that wave into power and then immediately set about dismantling Medicare, forcing a deficit-exploding extension of the Bush tax cuts and repealing* Obamacare with all of it's deficit-reducing savings.

* without even the flicker of a nod to the "replace" part of that campaign meme.

[subnuclear]

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

If Democrats are elected to the majority, you can't cry when they pass Democratic legislation.  

[MusicMan]

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

So let me get this straight... the American people elected their officials, were displeased with the results, and accordingly began electing different officials.

In the mean time, our justice system reviewed the law, determined it was a constitutional law and that the court's job was not to comment on the wisdom, but only the constitutionality, and upheld accordingly.

Why is everyone so up in arms?  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

[jbm]

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

This is the most misunderstood and demagogued issue in my lifetime.  The average person knows jackshit about this law.  Many who try to educate themselves about this law probably know jackshit about this law.  Polls show people like all the benefits, but hate the mechanism which makes them possible.  Additionally, most republicans now hate a system they devised.  

In sum, on this issue, it is folly to assume rationality has anything to do with public opinion and electoral consequences.  You know, the country is inhabited by a "Get the fucking government out of my medicare" crowd.  

BTW, I apologize for my observation about Roberts.  I can find no evidence that he ever said that about Obama.  I can find an article entitled "In his Supreme Court Opinion, Roberts calls Obama a Tax and Spend Liberal."  However, there is absolutely no evidence provided in the article that he wrote it, said it, or even thinks it.  I should have read the propoganda/news first before I slammed Roberts.

[sporadic]

If Democrats are elected to the majority, you can't cry when they pass Democratic legislation.  

Not crying, merely pointing out it was not all that popular

[HudsonHawk]

So let me get this straight... the American people elected their officials, were displeased with the results, and accordingly began electing different officials.

In the mean time, our justice system reviewed the law, determined it was a constitutional law and that the court's job was not to comment on the wisdom, but only the constitutionality, and upheld accordingly.

Why is everyone so up in arms?  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

You obviously have no idea how traditional American whining works.

[Mr. Happy]

Don't the polls show that the law is generally popular?

No. Rasmussen has consistently shown that 54-60% of the public opposes the individual mandate (now a "tax").

[sporadic]

So let me get this straight... the American people elected their officials, were displeased with the results, and accordingly began electing different officials.

In the mean time, our justice system reviewed the law, determined it was a constitutional law and that the court's job was not to comment on the wisdom, but only the constitutionality, and upheld accordingly.

Why is everyone so up in arms?  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

very, very good point

[MusicMan]

No. Rasmussen has consistently shown that 54-60% of the public opposes the individual mandate (now a "tax").

And yet only 37% wanted it overturned, with 40% saying they had "mixed feelings".

[EasTexAstro]

Your employer doesn't provide you with health insurance?

/ducking

I have insurance through my employer, with an option for my family. My family costs 10% of what it would cost me to carry insurance each year.

[EasTexAstro]

So let me get this straight... the American people elected their officials, were displeased with the results, and accordingly began electing different officials.

In the mean time, our justice system reviewed the law, determined it was a constitutional law and that the court's job was not to comment on the wisdom, but only the constitutionality, and upheld accordingly.

Why is everyone so up in arms?  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

Agree 100%

[Mr. Happy]

So let me get this straight... the American people elected their officials, were displeased with the results, and accordingly began electing different officials.

In the mean time, our justice system reviewed the law, determined it was a constitutional law and that the court's job was not to comment on the wisdom, but only the constitutionality, and upheld accordingly.

Why is everyone so up in arms?  THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

Absolutely correct.

[JimR]

Passed by Democrats about to be out of a job.  It was legislation the american people clearly did not want passed.  Had they, they surely would not have turned over Congress in such dramatic fashion.

you obviously were not a history major. mid-term elections almost always do this.