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Author Topic: Scotus Upholds PPACA, but calls the individual mandate a "tax"  (Read 5640 times)
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 01:02:01 PM »

Don't the polls show that the law is generally popular?

Overall, unpopular. Certain provisions are popular, though, such as carrying coverage from one employer to another, carrying kids until they are 26+ ( I forget the age cutoff), and not denying for preexisting ailments. The unpopular issues are fines for not carrying insurance and medicare mandates to the states.
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 01:02:29 PM »

Don't the polls show that the law is generally popular?

Its complicated to poll since few people understand all of it and lots of people live in fairy-tale land one way or another on the subject. If Obama gets re-elected then that's about a good answer as you'll get.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 01:06:15 PM »

Well, the quote in isolation may be read as innocuous.  Maybe it actually is, and my mistake was coupling it with a headline that he said Obama was a tax and spend liberal.  So, I read it in a way (which I still believe it was intended) to say:  quit whining you dumbasses, you get what you elect.  That is social and political commentary IMO, which while true, doesn't need to be stated in a SC decision.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 01:08:38 PM »

I'm interested to see how the dissent explains that congress doesn't have the power to tax people for not having health insurance, but alas I have actual work to do.

How does congress have the power to tax a non-activity?

Should they tax a person without a vehicle because roads are provided in case they need to use the road?

Should they tax a person for not having home or rental insurance?

What about flight insurance or maritime insurance?
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 01:08:47 PM »

quit whining you dumbasses, you get what you elect

Which in itself is ironic, considering how the legislation was rammed through Congress in the first place
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2012, 01:11:59 PM »

How does congress have the power to tax a non-activity?

Should they tax a person without a vehicle because roads are provided in case they need to use the road?

Should they tax a person for not having home or rental insurance?

What about flight insurance or maritime insurance?


They can tax you for whatever they want. Don't elect idiots.
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2012, 01:13:40 PM »

Don't elect idiots.

Too late.
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« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2012, 01:18:55 PM »

They can tax you for whatever they want. Don't elect idiots.

If you drive a car they'll tax the street. If you try to sit they'll tax your seat. If you get too cold they'll tax the heat. If you take a walk they'll tax your feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNrCXRl1Tw
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2012, 01:20:30 PM »


Should they tax a person without a vehicle because roads are provided in case they need to use the road?

Should they tax a person for not having home or rental insurance?

Just curious, how should public transportation be funded?  You can't ride it until it is built.

FEMA?  do away with it?

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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2012, 01:21:33 PM »

That is social and political commentary IMO, which while true, doesn't need to be stated in a SC decision.

I was understanding the quote was made in an interview not part of the decision.
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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2012, 01:24:30 PM »

If you drive a car they'll tax the street. If you try to sit they'll tax your seat. If you get too cold they'll tax the heat. If you take a walk they'll tax your feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyNrCXRl1Tw

Please tell me you linked the SRV version.
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2012, 01:27:55 PM »

How does congress have the power to tax a non-activity?

Should they tax a person without a vehicle because roads are provided in case they need to use the road?

Should they tax a person for not having home or rental insurance?

What about flight insurance or maritime insurance?


Next thing you know they'll be making me pay social security tax when I'm not even retired.
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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2012, 01:29:16 PM »

Next thing you know they'll be making me pay social security tax when I'm not even retired. never going to see one red cent

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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2012, 01:30:04 PM »

I was understanding the quote was made in an interview not part of the decision.
You must be correct, as I can't find it in articles on the opinion.
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2012, 01:30:09 PM »

Neil might, he's old.
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2012, 01:31:12 PM »

You must be correct, as I can't find it in articles on the opinion.

Definitely did not say that in the opinion.
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2012, 01:33:03 PM »

Neil might, he's old.

and they're taxing me because I might, if I'm lucky, get older.
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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2012, 01:33:32 PM »

Which in itself is ironic, considering how the legislation was rammed through Congress in the first place

Not sure what you mean. Democrats, who have been talking about health care reform for a long time, had both sides of congress and the presidency.
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2012, 01:34:38 PM »

Definitely did not say that in the opinion.

Page 44:  "Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness."
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 01:35:09 PM »

Its complicated to poll since few people understand all of it and lots of people live in fairy-tale land one way or another on the subject. If Obama gets re-elected then that's about a good answer as you'll get.

That sounds about right.
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