S.P. Rodriguez
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« on: January 26, 2012, 09:42:00 AM » |
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Fredia
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 09:52:49 AM » |
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you know what is truly sad other than baggy and bidg there will be no more houston astros as we know them nominated for the hall
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 10:03:51 AM » |
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you know what is truly sad other than baggy and bidg there will be no more houston astros as we know them nominated for the hall
Point of order: If the team name changes, are HoF inductees enshrined with the team name under which they played, or the current team name? If the latter, there may never be any Houston Astros in the Hall. |
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 10:12:59 AM » |
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Point of order: If the team name changes, are HoF inductees enshrined with the team name under which they played, or the current team name? If the latter, there may never be any Houston Astros in the Hall.
I think the player's whole team history is listed on the plaque. The hat worn on the plaque is subject to determination and I don't know which one they'd pick for that. |
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S.P. Rodriguez
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 10:16:51 AM » |
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I think the player's whole team history is listed on the plaque. The hat worn on the plaque is subject to determination and I don't know which one they'd pick for that.
Bud will probably have it switched to the Brewers, using the series played between the Cubs and Astros in Milwaukee as justification. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 10:52:41 AM » |
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I think the player's whole team history is listed on the plaque. The hat worn on the plaque is subject to determination and I don't know which one they'd pick for that.
Looks like the current standard is to just list city and league ("Montreal, N.L.") and years. The cap would definitely be from the guy's playing days, so it would definitely be Astros for Bagwell/Biggio (though it could be either the 90s or 00s design). For example, see Roy Campanella or Jackie Robinson -- both elected for their playing time in Brooklyn, both enshrined after the team left for LA, both wearing "B" hats: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pa_dodger/5837806771/in/photostreamhttp://castle.eiu.edu/wow/classes/fa04/halloffame.jpgBut it is possible that one or both players could be inducted without the plaque actually saying "Astros," name change or not. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 11:10:09 AM » |
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I think the player's whole team history is listed on the plaque. The hat worn on the plaque is subject to determination and I don't know which one they'd pick for that.
The plaque is to be representative of the player's career. So whatever hat they wore when playing is what goes on the plaque, irrespective of what cap the team is wearing at the time. So for example, Hank Aaron retired a Milwaukee Brewer, but the cap is from the 1960's Atlanta Braves. Larry Doby was elected in 1998, but his plaque is shown with a 1940's era Indians cap. The Houston Astros are the only team Biggio or Bagwell ever played for. Which Astros cap they use may be up for debate, but it has to be an Astros cap. There is no other option. On a side note, I was looking at the HOF website the other day, which has players listed by their "primary team". Nolan Ryan's is listed as the Angels, even though he played the longest with the Astros and the Rangers cap is on his plaque. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 11:45:40 AM » |
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On a side note, I was looking at the HOF website the other day, which has players listed by their "primary team". Nolan Ryan's is listed as the Angels, even though he played the longest with the Astros and the Rangers cap is on his plaque.
That is especially odd since the Angels weren't even his first team. I wonder what criteria they are using. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 12:00:52 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 12:24:12 PM » |
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Maz is the man!
Agreed. Very classy. Then again, I'm sure all of the HOF 2nd basemen are, right? I mean surely any day now we'll see an article with Joe Morgan singing Biggio's praises... |
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 01:03:37 PM » |
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That is especially odd since the Angels weren't even his first team. I wonder what criteria they are using.
I assume it's because that's where he became a star...oh, and threw four no-hitters. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 01:29:18 PM » |
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I mean surely any day now we'll see an article with Joe Morgan singing Biggio's praises...
Has Biggio brought the proper offerings in tribute? |
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 02:07:06 PM » |
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I assume it's because that's where he became a star...oh, and threw four no-hitters.
But where you became a star isn't part of the criteria (that they're willing to admit). When Wade Boggs had a clause in a contract that he would go into the HOF as a Devil Ray, the HOF coughed up some criteria, and I can't recall exactly what it was, but it wasn't that. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 02:17:39 PM » |
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But where you became a star isn't part of the criteria (that they're willing to admit). When Wade Boggs had a clause in a contract that he would go into the HOF as a Devil Ray, the HOF coughed up some criteria, and I can't recall exactly what it was, but it wasn't that.
Where you made the most money? |
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 02:40:44 PM » |
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But where you became a star isn't part of the criteria (that they're willing to admit). When Wade Boggs had a clause in a contract that he would go into the HOF as a Devil Ray, the HOF coughed up some criteria, and I can't recall exactly what it was, but it wasn't that.
It's something along the lines of "emblematic of the historical accomplishments of that player's career" as determined by the museum. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 07:33:50 AM » |
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But where you became a star isn't part of the criteria (that they're willing to admit). When Wade Boggs had a clause in a contract that he would go into the HOF as a Devil Ray, the HOF coughed up some criteria, and I can't recall exactly what it was, but it wasn't that.
The criteria is it's representative of your career. That it's historically accurate. Ryan's time as an Angel is just that. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 07:50:04 AM » |
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The criteria is it's representative of your career. That it's historically accurate. Ryan's time as an Angel is just that.
Then why isn't he wearing an Angels cap in the HOF? Seems to me like those should have the same criteria. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 08:23:53 AM » |
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Isn't the cap the choice of the player?
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 08:41:18 AM » |
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Then why isn't he wearing an Angels cap in the HOF? Seems to me like those should have the same criteria.
Because the Rangers cap is representative as well. As would be an Astros cap. Ryan is one of those cases where there are several options. I just thought it was interesting that the database lists the Angels as his "primary team". |
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 08:42:06 AM » |
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Isn't the cap the choice of the player?
No, it's the HOF's choice. If there are several legit options, the HOF will consider the player's wish, but the decision belongs to the HOF. |
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