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« Reply #280 on: January 13, 2011, 11:58:05 AM » |
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I think the objective is two-fold, and doesn't have much to do with laissez-faire or bending knees. Pearlman is a fool who is willfully spreading bullshit about a player we care about, and there are several HOF voters who appear to be on the fence when deciding Jeff Bagwell's worthiness to be enshrined. I know there are members here who are trying to decide whether and how to weigh in on it. I think what I'm advocating is a campaign of education among the BBWAA voters, who mostly will not be people who don't care.
It worked for Blyleven.
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« Reply #281 on: January 13, 2011, 12:20:10 PM » |
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« Reply #282 on: January 13, 2011, 01:10:07 PM » |
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« Reply #283 on: January 13, 2011, 01:40:15 PM » |
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"laze fair?"
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« Reply #284 on: January 13, 2011, 02:47:58 PM » |
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« Reply #285 on: January 13, 2011, 04:42:12 PM » |
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« Reply #286 on: January 13, 2011, 04:48:50 PM » |
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Pearlman is a fool who is willfully spreading bullshit about a player we care about, and there are several HOF voters who appear to be on the fence when deciding Jeff Bagwell's worthiness to be enshrined.
How does one, with any semblance of common sense reconcile the first part "is a fool" with the second part "voters who appear to be on the fence". Why, oh why, would anyone who is undecided listen to a fool to help them make a decision? That is the part I truly don't understand. There is a show that is a parody called "Life Coach" with Cheri Oteri. It is funny at times and other times, it's really stupid. The point is, they are making fun of people who truly feel the need to have such a thing... a life coach. My wife, in passing, noticed I was watching to see what Oteri would do with this part... and she thought for a minute that I was watching a real show. I told her, no... it's a parody... no one in their right mind would listen to such a person. But, alas, some do. Pearlman is the life coach parody that is getting way too much run and loving it. Why would anyone of the HOF voters even listen to him? I sincerely hope they won't... I mean... they can't be *THAT* stupid... can they? |
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« Reply #287 on: January 13, 2011, 04:53:21 PM » |
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Why would anyone of the HOF voters even listen to him? I sincerely hope they won't... I mean... they can't be *THAT* stupid... can they?
We have had voters putting Mattingly and Tino Martinez ahead of Bagwell. We have had voters claiming Jack Morris was the best pitcher of the decade. We have had voters claim that "the only guy I'd want in Game 7 of the World Series" was the HOF critera. And you still ask that question? |
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« Reply #288 on: January 13, 2011, 04:54:27 PM » |
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Pearlman is the life coach parody that is getting way too much run and loving it. Why would anyone of the HOF voters even listen to him? I sincerely hope they won't... I mean... they can't be *THAT* stupid... can they?
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« Reply #289 on: January 13, 2011, 04:58:46 PM » |
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We have had voters putting Mattingly and Tino Martinez ahead of Bagwell.
We have had voters claiming Jack Morris was the best pitcher of the decade.
We have had voters claim that "the only guy I'd want in Game 7 of the World Series" was the HOF critera.
And you still ask that question?
So the problem here is not the fool, but the fools who listen to him... foolishly. But several decided to not vote for Baggs because they, by their own standards, don't give *first time* ballot candidates a vote. Hence why Alomar got in when he got a lot less votes his first time around. I am not sure it's about being foolish as much as being stuck to traditions and customs for some. For the select few though, yeah, they're stupid... so what are you gonna do? Darwin awards typically take of these sorts, no? |
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« Reply #290 on: January 13, 2011, 05:00:52 PM » |
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Somebody's listening to something that sounds an awful lot like Pearlman.
So what Gammons, Neyers and many others who speak eloquently about baseball have no voice for those same people? I think this whole thing with Pearlman is a joke... to me he is not the rule, he's the exception. And this exception is getting way to much credit, IMHO. Of course, I could be wrong. Been so before, will be so again many more times in my life. |
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« Reply #291 on: January 13, 2011, 06:04:56 PM » |
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So the problem here is not the fool, but the fools who listen to him... foolishly. Mr. T doesn't know which one to pity. |
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« Reply #292 on: January 13, 2011, 08:26:14 PM » |
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How does one, with any semblance of common sense reconcile the first part "is a fool" with the second part "voters who appear to be on the fence". Why, oh why, would anyone who is undecided listen to a fool to help them make a decision? That is the part I truly don't understand. There is a show that is a ...blah blah blah blah... and she thought for a minute that I was watching a real show. I told her, no... it's a parody... no one in their right mind would listen to such a person. But, alas, some do.
So the problem here is not the fool, but the fools who listen to him... foolishly. But several decided to not vote for Baggs because they, by their own standards, don't give *first time* ballot candidates a vote. Hence why Alomar got in when he got a lot less votes his first time around. I am not sure it's about being foolish as much as being stuck to traditions and customs for some. For the select few though, yeah, they're stupid... so what are you gonna do? Darwin awards typically take of these sorts, no? No. That is not what I am saying. I know this is a tarball, but please...slow down. I said that there are some members of this site who are upset about what Pearlman wrote. They would like for him to change his mind, preferably publicly. They do not know how to accomplish this. I think that it cannot be accomplished and should be abandoned, partly because I don't think it can be done and partly because I think he's an outlier in a minority of BBWAA voters. I said that there are really two objectives here. The first is getting Pearlman to change his mind - not gonna happen. The second is to help get the voters who are on the fence about Bagwell's enshrinement, for whatever reason, to vote for Bagwell. I think that a campaign of education aimed at those voters could make a difference. This campaign would be positive and hopefully productive, in contrast to an effort to bring sense or shame to Pearlman because that would be negative and divisive. This doesn't have anything to do with voters who might be listening to Pearlman, because I think there aren't enough of those to matter. These two objectives I wrote about are not connected to each other. They don't follow each other in a logical argument. Tying them together is a misinterpretation of what I meant to say. I hope that I am making this clear. |
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« Reply #293 on: January 13, 2011, 08:59:16 PM » |
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No. That is not what I am saying. I know this is a tarball, but please...slow down.
I said that there are some members of this site who are upset about what Pearlman wrote. They would like for him to change his mind, preferably publicly. They do not know how to accomplish this. I'm definitely in the group that is upset about what Pearlman wrote. However, I don't believe for a second he is going to change his mind about Bags, Biggio, or the Astros franchise. With Pearlman, it is really more of a question of whether folks will sit by as he makes such incendiary and (seemingly) baseless claims about the Astros as a franchise and do nothing, or try in some manner to ensure that there is some accountability for his comments. I'm in the latter camp, but don't have the foggiest idea of how to even begin to make that happen.... |
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« Reply #294 on: January 13, 2011, 09:03:14 PM » |
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So what Gammons, Neyers and many others who speak eloquently about baseball have no voice for those same people? I think this whole thing with Pearlman is a joke... to me he is not the rule, he's the exception. And this exception is getting way to much credit, IMHO. Of course, I could be wrong. Been so before, will be so again many more times in my life. I think there was some '1st ballot' voters who left him off because of that, and I think there are many more that simply didn't pay attention to him or get to see him during his playing days and don't truly realize how dominant a player he was. That said, the fact that all 8(?) Chicago BBWAA voters did not mark Bagwell on their ballot - despite getting to see him quite a bit - causes me some concern that there are a lot more of the Pearlman'esque voters out there than I'd like to believe... |
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« Reply #295 on: January 14, 2011, 08:59:32 AM » |
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So the problem here is not the fool, but the fools who listen to him... foolishly. But several decided to not vote for Baggs because they, by their own standards, don't give *first time* ballot candidates a vote. Hence why Alomar got in when he got a lot less votes his first time around. I am not sure it's about being foolish as much as being stuck to traditions and customs for some. For the select few though, yeah, they're stupid... so what are you gonna do? Darwin awards typically take of these sorts, no?
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« Reply #296 on: January 14, 2011, 01:34:08 PM » |
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Royal outlines Pearlman's 'proof' (from Pearlman's book) that Biggio used steroids. LINK |
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« Reply #297 on: January 14, 2011, 04:30:56 PM » |
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Royal outlines Pearlman's 'proof' (from Pearlman's book) that Biggio used steroids. LINKAs if to prove my point, the article leads with: Yes, you read that right. Craig Biggio used steroids. And then follows immediately with: At least that's the latest allegation to come from Jeff Pearlman, This shit is all about clicks, and nothing about information. Which is annoying because the same article includes this perfect defeat of ignorant logic: (Note, if there was a major league team that was a hotbed of PED use in the majors, it's the New York Yankees, which eagerly made use of such players as Jose Canseco -- the Johnny Appleseed of steroids -- Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, David Justice, Kevin Brown, Chuck Knoblauch, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. So by the standard Pearlman has laid out to label Biggio as a steroid user, then Derek Jeter must be a steroid user.) So, he should have lead with "Derek Jeter: Steroid User", and I would've been happy. |
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« Reply #298 on: January 14, 2011, 04:53:26 PM » |
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Royal outlines Pearlman's 'proof' (from Pearlman's book) that Biggio used steroids. LINKNot one "Ed Wade is stoo-pud" remark snuck in that whole article? I am shocked. He does make a good analogy though- OSF, have you asked Pearlman if he therefore thinks that Jeter used 'roids? |
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« Reply #299 on: January 14, 2011, 05:06:19 PM » |
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As if to prove my point, the article leads with: FWIW, I chatted with Royal before the article. I don't think it had nearly as much to do with clicks as it did with the fact Pearlman is seemingly throwing out baseless accusations. The rest is just standard Royal writing style. |
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