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« Reply #200 on: January 06, 2011, 08:28:17 PM » |
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Remember when Lou Gehrig hit 20 homers his rookie season, then hit 16 his second full year, and the jumped up to 47 his third season? Remember that? The fuck was he on?
Hell, Ruth didn't even hit 20 until what, his 4th year? Guy got real big too. Who else did he turn on to the stuff? Murderers' Row- ha! 'Roiders' Row is more like it! |
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« Reply #201 on: January 07, 2011, 01:52:29 AM » |
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That's one of the best baseball columns I've ever read. |
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« Reply #202 on: January 07, 2011, 07:25:03 AM » |
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Posnaski rant: The Willie Mays Hall of Fame.I cannot tell you how many times in my life, much less in the last month, I have received emails that basically say something like: “Willie Mays — now THAT is a Hall of Famer. That is who I have in mind when I think of the Hall of Fame not (Player X) who you wrote about.”
So, that’s my mission here — to create The Willie Mays Hall of Fame.Neyer rant: Change will roll into the Hall, somedayI just don't believe this can stand, forever. Drawing a line between amphetamines and steroids is intellectually indefensible. A Hall of Fame that doesn't include Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens -- not to mention Jeff Bagwell, Rafael Palmeiro, etc. -- is, in the long run, both irrelevant and untenable. Thanks for the links. Great reads. |
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« Reply #203 on: January 07, 2011, 09:07:53 AM » |
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Remember when Lou Gehrig hit 20 homers his rookie season, then hit 16 his second full year, and the jumped up to 47 his third season? Remember that? The fuck was he on?
And that speech! He'd never said anything eloquent or poignant before then! He must've joined Toastmasters or something. And EVERYONE knows how steroids are connected with Toastmasters. |
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« Reply #204 on: January 07, 2011, 09:13:09 AM » |
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Here's a nice article (nice, because it coincides with my opinion) that was published in the Statesman this morning, written by a New Yorker no less: Is Jeff Bagwell Getting a Raw Deal From Hall of Fame Voters?Even our buddy Bernie Miklasz (sp?) was pissed about Bagwell's treatment yesterday. |
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« Reply #205 on: January 07, 2011, 09:22:10 AM » |
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Hopefully the effect of this outrage plus the first-ballot bias will be enough to get him voted in next year. Placing faith in sportswriters' sensitivity to ethics and shame is one of the defintions of a 'fool's errand' though.
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« Reply #206 on: January 07, 2011, 09:22:46 AM » |
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They have a whole year to forget why they should have voted for him.
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« Reply #207 on: January 07, 2011, 09:23:20 AM » |
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For the record, that article actually ran in the NY Times and was on the front webpage for a day. |
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« Reply #208 on: January 07, 2011, 09:33:44 AM » |
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From the article: And that's what we're doing to Bagwell. And the problem will only get worse. Just wait until obvious steroids cheats are voted in, which will fully expose the hypocrisy and the whimsical application of ethical standards. Douche-Rod? |
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« Reply #209 on: January 07, 2011, 09:35:21 AM » |
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Hopefully the effect of this outrage plus the first-ballot bias will be enough to get him voted in next year. Placing faith in sportswriters' sensitivity to ethics and shame is one of the defintions of a 'fool's errand' though.
They are also whores to the whims of readers. If they get a whiff of a groundswell of objection to their "no" votes on Baggs, they will change. |
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« Reply #210 on: January 07, 2011, 10:16:09 AM » |
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From the article:
Douche-Rod?
Sooner: Bonds. His career numbers make him a no-doubt-about-it, first-ballot Hall-of-Famer if not for the steroids. The only way he doesn't get in is if a sufficient number of voters believe that his steroid trumps his on-the-field accomplishments. And if he *does* get in, then 75%+ of the voters are saying that steroids don't matter. And in that case they shouldn't matter for anybody. So if he's in, they're saying that steroids don't matter. |
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« Reply #211 on: January 07, 2011, 10:26:56 AM » |
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Sooner: Bonds. His career numbers make him a no-doubt-about-it, first-ballot Hall-of-Famer if not for the steroids. The only way he doesn't get in is if a sufficient number of voters believe that his steroid trumps his on-the-field accomplishments. And if he *does* get in, then 75%+ of the voters are saying that steroids don't matter. And in that case they shouldn't matter for anybody.
So if he's in, they're saying that steroids don't matter.
Clemens too, and they're both up for first ballot the same year, I believe. They'll be on the 2013 ballot with Biggio. |
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« Reply #212 on: January 07, 2011, 10:34:28 AM » |
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Clemens too, and they're both up for first ballot the same year, I believe. They'll be on the 2013 ballot with Biggio.
Beautiful. So they'll vote in Bonds, Clemens, Biggio and Bagwell in the same year - and the hangover will be that Bagwell got in because they finally forgave the roiders. I want to kill them all. |
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« Reply #213 on: January 07, 2011, 10:38:35 AM » |
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I want to kill them all.
Roid rage? |
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« Reply #214 on: January 07, 2011, 10:51:47 AM » |
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« Reply #215 on: January 07, 2011, 10:53:59 AM » |
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For the record, that article actually ran in the NY Times and was on the front webpage for a day.
Front page? |
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« Reply #216 on: January 07, 2011, 11:00:30 AM » |
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Front page?
I think he means front page of the NY Times, which people actually consult, as opposed to the mythical front page of SnS. |
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« Reply #217 on: January 07, 2011, 11:04:38 AM » |
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That's one of the best baseball columns I've ever read.
Agreed. In-fucking-credible. |
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« Reply #218 on: January 07, 2011, 11:09:17 AM » |
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« Reply #219 on: January 07, 2011, 11:24:54 AM » |
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Sooner: Bonds. His career numbers make him a no-doubt-about-it, first-ballot Hall-of-Famer if not for the steroids. The only way he doesn't get in is if a sufficient number of voters believe that his steroid trumps his on-the-field accomplishments. And if he *does* get in, then 75%+ of the voters are saying that steroids don't matter. And in that case they shouldn't matter for anybody.
So if he's in, they're saying that steroids don't matter.
The problem with Bonds is that he started taking steroids at the end of his career (and we have a pretty clear picture when that was) when he already had HoF numbers. Voters can say "I'm voting for the pre-steroids Bonds" and you can probably make the same argument for Clemens. Whereas Bagwell, if he took steroids, took them his whole career and therefore his whole career is suspect. Not that the BBWAA writers who didn't vote for Bagwell are capable of such logic, but its there to be argued. |
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