S.P. Rodriguez
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 09:31:07 AM » |
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I didn't know BP had achieved omniscience. If I had that power, I'd use it for good of all. Not just bashing a MLB GM. |
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HudsonHawk
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 09:38:44 AM » |
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I didn't know BP had achieved omniscience. If I had that power, I'd use it for good of all. Not just bashing a MLB GM.
BP is the baseball equivalent of The Onion. They don't do serious baseball commentary. |
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"Well, buddy when I die throw my body in the back, drive me to the junkyard in my Cadillac"
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JimR
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 09:43:39 AM » |
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fuck those people at BP.
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Ron Brand
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2010, 09:46:15 AM » |
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BP actually started out as something pretty decent, but it went to hell when they decided to stop finding things out and focused on teaching us how stupid we all are because we don't take them seriously.
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GreatBagwellsBeard
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2010, 09:47:23 AM » |
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Holy hell. And people give me grief for posting something from ESPN. MM, I want your resignation on my desk by noon.
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He's a very sad case. He thinks he's Ethel Merman.
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Ron Brand
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2010, 09:58:15 AM » |
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Hey, at least no one has pointed anyone to Pinwheel's last two columns or the comments from today's "I said it here and it happened" bowl of phlegm.
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GreatBagwellsBeard
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2010, 10:00:07 AM » |
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Hey, at least no one has pointed anyone to Pinwheel's last two columns or the comments from today's "I said it here and it happened" bowl of phlegm.
Also, no one has kicked me in the balls and then said it was my junk's fault. |
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He's a very sad case. He thinks he's Ethel Merman.
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MusicMan
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2010, 10:05:14 AM » |
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Also, no one has kicked me in the balls and then said it was my junk's fault.
Yet. |
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Pam Gardner is one of the final four interviewers? Really? FML - OSF, 10/12/09
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Astroholic
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2010, 10:12:57 AM » |
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Yet.
The stros are going to be worse then the Pirates next year because we/they lost Oswalt whom was having such a fine year...got it. |
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hostros7
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2010, 10:20:48 AM » |
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The stros are going to be worse then the Pirates next year because we/they lost Oswalt whom was having such a fine year...got it.
I hate to point out the obvious, but the goal isn't to compete with Pittsburgh for second to last place next year. Fuck these guys. |
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Astroholic
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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2010, 10:23:07 AM » |
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I hate to point out the obvious, but the goal isn't to compete with Pittsburgh for second to last place next year. Fuck these guys.
Baby steps my fine man...Baby steps. |
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MusicMan
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2010, 10:27:59 AM » |
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I hate to point out the obvious, but the goal isn't to compete with Pittsburgh for second to last place next year. Fuck these guys.
Careful. Cam Bonifay could come back. |
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Pam Gardner is one of the final four interviewers? Really? FML - OSF, 10/12/09
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jbm
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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2010, 10:31:12 AM » |
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One of the arguments in the BP piece really gets to me. I think there is an assumption that completely ripping apart and rebuilding is the obvious stategy. It's window dressing, while the core strategy is drafting and development. Also, I think the rip apart/rebuid mode comes with some risk. Lots of teams seem to perpetually be in this mode. The Pirates, Royals and Orioles immediately come to mind. Being really crappy seems to create an undertow that can be hard to escape.
My main point is that in 2013 on, the prime determinant in the quality of the Astros will not be who they got for Oswalt, Berkman, or Myers, but how well they drafted and developed players from 2008 on. People always fucking criticize Wade for this or that, without even mentioning how he is doing on his most important responsibility. Similarly, the recognition by Drayton a couple of years ago that player drafting, signing and developing is important is far more significant than his realization that the club might be years away.
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Astroholic
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2010, 10:33:37 AM » |
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Careful. Cam Bonifay could come back.
My sons best friends dad works for the Pirates. I feels sorry for the kid everytime I see he come up to bat (In LL) with that P batting helmet on. |
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2010, 10:38:56 AM » |
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Also, I think the rip apart/rebuid mode comes with some risk. Lots of teams seem to perpetually be in this mode. The Pirates, Royals and Orioles immediately come to mind. Being really crappy seems to create an undertow that can be hard to escape.
My impression has been that those three are in no particular mood to invest in the building part of the equation. I don't think they are good examples of the risk of rebuilding. |
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jbm
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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2010, 11:06:56 AM » |
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I don't know much about the Royals and Os; they might not trade folks away when they get good/valuable, but the Pirates are perpetually in that mode. My main point is that the strategy is overrated in its importance, and far less important than how well one drafts and developes. At its heart, rebuilding is about trying to exchange present value for future value. It carries the inherent risk of predicting future value, which few GMs (or anyone on the planet for that matter) can do at a high rate. The draft and development is where most of future value originates, but a GM's skill at that is roughly ignored by the pundits, while their "skill" at the piddly shit is evaluated ad nauseum and shouted from the rooftops.
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2010, 03:18:51 PM » |
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At its heart, rebuilding is about trying to exchange present value for future value. It carries the inherent risk of predicting future value, which few GMs (or anyone on the planet for that matter) can do at a high rate. The draft and development is where most of future value originates, but a GM's skill at that is roughly ignored by the pundits, while their "skill" at the piddly shit is evaluated ad nauseum and shouted from the rooftops.
Well said. Is there a GM whose draft resume has been more blatantly disregarded than Ed Wade's? For all the caterwauling about his supposed bumbling idiocy, you'd think he'd be out of baseball by now. Perhaps the execs in the league remember what he did with the amateur draft during his years in Philadelphia. For shits and giggles, I did a quick eye test of the 1998-2005 Philadelphia draft picks and found the following names of guys who made it to the major leagues: Cole Hamels Ryan Howard Chase Utley Pat Burrell Brett Myers Joe Saunders JA Happ Jason Michaels Marlon Byrd Nick Punto Ryan Madson Geoff Geary Taylor Buccholz Gavin Floyd Kameron Loe Kyle Kendrick Brad Ziegler Michael Bourn For someone who sucks, his draft record ain't half bad. |
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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2010, 03:54:25 PM » |
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Ah, yes, I've slipped away from the Medium is the Message thing. I'll go self-flagellate now.
As good a time as any for this reset. |
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I wish that I could push a button
And talk in the past and not the present tense
And watch this hurtin' feeling disappear
Like it was common sense
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 04:29:21 PM » |
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As good a time as any for this reset. Linking Annie Hall? Is there something in the Man Card rules? |
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2010, 04:41:24 PM » |
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Linking Annie Hall? Is there something in the Man Card rules?
Straight red. |
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