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« Reply #1340 on: July 29, 2010, 11:25:50 PM » |
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Yeah, basically when the report was "... and the Astros kicked in 11 million dollars...", all of a sudden some heads turned right at the direction of those MLB Execs who convinced their people there was no need to deal with the Astros because of McLane. Those guys had the nerve to tell Onley "Hey, we didn't know!" Buncha idiots trying to convince themselves they didn't make a mistake to not return Houston's calls. When the report came out today from Onley that two teams (the Cardinals and Padres) tried to get *serious* about a deal with Houston but it was too late, I just laughed.
Oh, *NOW* you're serious, eh? The Phillies worked with the Astros, got the concession they needed because Houston is ready to turn the page and this trade reflects that (and I believe another trade will be made by Saturday and yes, I believe Berkman will be gone too). If teams that are run by professionals can't do the most simplest thing when it comes to talking business, then they have no one to blame but themselves.
Saturday may not be the end to this in any case. Some of these guys may clear waivers. I wonder what McLane would pony up to move Carlos Lee. That's the piece that really needs to move to free up everything else and let the rebuilding really get rolling. |
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« Reply #1341 on: July 29, 2010, 11:34:23 PM » |
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Saturday may not be the end to this in any case. Some of these guys may clear waivers.
I wonder what McLane would pony up to move Carlos Lee. That's the piece that really needs to move to free up everything else and let the rebuilding really get rolling.
It would be fun to put Lee on waivers and if someone claims him, the Astros say "He's all yours... no backsies!" |
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« Reply #1342 on: July 29, 2010, 11:35:25 PM » |
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It would be fun to put Lee on waivers and if someone claims him, the Astros say "He's all yours... no backsies!"
Lee might clear waivers faster than he clears his plate. |
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« Reply #1343 on: July 30, 2010, 12:11:56 AM » |
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Obviously there isn't much market(if any) for Lee, but you might be able to get the Angels, Giants, or Red Sox to consider a deal. You would need to take on Kazmir's contract with Anaheim, Rowand with the Giants, and Drew or Lackey with the Red Sox.
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« Reply #1344 on: July 30, 2010, 12:48:49 AM » |
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The market for Oswalt was diminished by the Astros' insistence they receive at least one Major League player in the deal, and Wade said the action began to heat up after Cliff Lee was traded to the Texas Rangers from the Seattle Mariners a few weeks ago. http://houston.astros.mlb...mp;fext=.jsp&c_id=houWhy? Why would they insist on this and thereby diminish the market? So they have a major-leaguer from the deal that they can show off as a trophy now? So Pam can sell marginally more tickets in the short run? |
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« Reply #1345 on: July 30, 2010, 05:58:28 AM » |
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Wait a second...Happ is starting tonight? Let me fire up the jet. Get me 16, no 17 tickets in the Diamond Club.
And a sooooveenurteeshart.
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« Reply #1346 on: July 30, 2010, 09:28:00 AM » |
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your goal? who the hell are you?
My goal for 2010 was to finish the master bathroom remodel. That was done in April, so everything from here on out is pure gravy. |
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« Reply #1347 on: July 30, 2010, 09:29:03 AM » |
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I wonder what McLane would pony up to move Carlos Lee. That's the piece that really needs to move to free up everything else and let the rebuilding really get rolling.
I don't think you could trade Lee without paying every last cent of his contract. And even then, it would be hard. |
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« Reply #1348 on: July 30, 2010, 10:14:11 AM » |
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Sorry folk. Been drunk for a few hours. What did I miss?
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« Reply #1349 on: July 30, 2010, 10:17:10 AM » |
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Sorry folk. Been drunk for a few hours. What did I miss?
We put saran wrap on your toilet while you were passed out. |
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Pam Gardner is one of the final four interviewers? Really? FML - OSF, 10/12/09
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« Reply #1350 on: July 30, 2010, 10:18:45 AM » |
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Sorry folk. Been drunk for a few hours. What did I miss?
The centerpiece of the deal, Wallace can't walk. The SS prospect can't hit and the Astros thought about spending $11 million dollars in Latin player development but decidedto give it to Philly instead. |
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« Reply #1351 on: July 30, 2010, 10:20:46 AM » |
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The centerpiece of the deal, Wallace can't walk. The SS prospect can't hit and the Astros thought about spending $11 million dollars in Latin player development but decidedto give it to Philly instead.
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« Reply #1352 on: July 30, 2010, 10:21:55 AM » |
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The centerpiece of the deal, Wallace can't walk. The SS prospect can't hit and the Astros thought about spending $11 million dollars in Latin player development but decidedto give it to Philly instead.
And Roy finally found that tube of Vagisil (TM) hed been looking for. |
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« Reply #1353 on: July 30, 2010, 10:25:34 AM » |
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The centerpiece of the deal, Wallace can't walk. The SS prospect can't hit and the Astros thought about spending $11 million dollars in Latin player development but decidedto give it to Philly instead.
I thought the $11 million was for presents under Drayton's Christmas tree. [/heterodoxy] |
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It must be true. I read it on the internet.
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« Reply #1354 on: July 30, 2010, 02:43:11 PM » |
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teams will say anything after the fact.
and many reporters will say just about anything in spite of a fact... |
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« Reply #1355 on: July 30, 2010, 03:07:07 PM » |
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That's fantastic news. Anyone hear from their sources whether Wallace can pour piss from a boot?
You and HH both will be relieved to know I ran across this excerpt from an audio stream by a Willie something or other, detailing his overall scouting report: PPFBR: 0.96 (This is his Pour Piss From Boot Ratio) - "So only 4 times out of every hundred will there be spillage, leakage or inadequate volume recovery in this young man's pours. As long as he stays above the 0.90 threshold, he should be able to locate and step on first base equally well with either foot. His greatest tool, however, is his height. At 6'2", he should carry sufficient VZR (vertical zone ratio) to be able to block, knock down and even catch a fair percentage of the attempted throws toward home sailing in from right field. "Conclusion: While offensively he sprays to all fields with plus plus power, his flaccid output on the field means that, as a leftfielder he projects top-end ability of a Ryan Braun-ish skillset (i.e. will 7 times out of 10 locate the wall behind him and hit one of the cutoff men if they're spread out evenly), but will most likely settle into something approaching a visually impaired Rafael Soriano. Even though his makeup is not a complete defensive void, he is destined to be a first baseman in the mold of Gil Hodges, in that he will wear his mitt on the same hand. "Note: Although the PPFBR test doesn't actually involve bases, gloves, balls or bats, clinical research has proven that in blind studies involving a random set of Doc Maartens, pouring piss from a boot at a 90% success ratio translates to effective catching of throws 12-18X per game (9 innings maximum), safely throwing around the horn, and more often than not remembering to bring a ball with one's mitt on the field each time for infield practice." |
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« Reply #1356 on: July 30, 2010, 05:11:17 PM » |
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MLBTR adds some more details of what the Astros were after/offered by other clubs The Astros wanted Chad Billingsley in exchange for Roy Oswalt, according to Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times (Twitter link). The Dodgers countered with a four-prospect offer, but the Astros preferred the Phils' offer. Link |
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« Reply #1357 on: July 30, 2010, 05:26:49 PM » |
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MLBTR adds some more details of what the Astros were after/offered by other clubs LinkClearly, if the Astros were going to get either an MLB or MLB-ready starter, it would have to be someone like Happ, i.e. a guy who would be in most rotations but has been trying to come back from injury or can't seem to crack the top five for some reason. I mean, why would a contending team want to trade one of their starters simply to get another one? Makes me think this is more noise, or that Wade and co. were not anticipating those negotiations would go very far because they didn't like their prospects as much Philly's. I thought they also wanted James Loney/Matt Kemp. Again, what would be the point of the Dodgers surrendering talent they're counting on? I'm not sure whom to believe anymore. Other than Footer, of course. |
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« Reply #1358 on: July 30, 2010, 05:27:35 PM » |
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MLBTR adds some more details of what the Astros were after/offered by other clubs Linkthe Phillies did not want to give up the CFer we sent to get Wallace but they had to in order to get the deal done. |
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« Reply #1359 on: July 30, 2010, 05:34:04 PM » |
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the Phillies did not want to give up the CFer we sent to get Wallace but they had to in order to get the deal done.
Of course, if we'd only informed the Padres of our true intentions earlier we could have had Latos and two or three of their top prospects. And I'm sure St. Louis would have kicked in Rasmus. Just ask ESPN. |
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