BlownRanger
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« Reply #380 on: June 02, 2010, 02:13:17 PM » |
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Cliff Lee went in the offseason, 1 year remaining, for 3 minor leaguers, all highly regarded.
Roy Halladay went in the offseason, and then renegotiated, for 3 of the Phillies' top 5 minor leaguers.
Jake Peavy went midseason for 4 players, 3 of them high-level pitchers.
and the last time Wade dealt an ace:
Schilling went for Omar Daal, Nelson Figueroa, Travis Lee, and Vicente Padilla (yikes!)
And all three of those recent trades could end up smelling just as bad as the Schilling deal. Even if the fear of seeing Roy on a potential post-season opponent generates the hot market that Noe describes, these "move your proven stud(s) for a bucket of highly regarded prospects" deals are always a crap shoot. Regardless of the GM pulling the trigger, the majority of the HRPs fail to approach the potential that's seen at the time of the deal. Woodward was villified when he traded the Big Unit for Garcia, Guillen, and Halama, but the return on that trade ended up way above the average for these sorts of deals. |
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« Reply #381 on: June 02, 2010, 04:14:36 PM » |
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Woodward was villified when he traded the Big Unit for Garcia, Guillen, and Halama, but the return on that trade ended up way above the average for these sorts of deals.
Cleveland also did well when they traded Bartolo Colon to Montreal for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips. |
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MusicMan
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« Reply #382 on: June 02, 2010, 04:17:26 PM » |
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Bartolo Colon to Montreal for Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips.
I swear to god I just started salivating when I read this. |
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« Reply #383 on: June 02, 2010, 04:32:34 PM » |
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I swear to god I just started salivating when I read this.
Somewhere, Bartolo is salivating right now too. |
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« Reply #384 on: June 02, 2010, 04:37:41 PM » |
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Somewhere, Bartolo is salivating right now too.
Nice. |
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S.P. Rodriguez
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« Reply #385 on: June 02, 2010, 05:39:31 PM » |
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From Stan McNeal article about deadline trade candidates: If a club comes calling for Carlos Lee, however, it could have him for his contract. Lee is due $18.5 million a year through 2012 and, according to a scout, "looks like he doesn't even care." (I will second that opinion. In an early season game at Busch Stadium, Lee strolled into the Astros' clubhouse about 10 minutes before stretching -- long after the rest of his teammates already had dressed). http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-06-02/trade-talk-10-players-likely-be-moved-deadlineHe also speculates Oswalt will fetch a couple front line prospects. |
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MusicMan
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They're still shitty.
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« Reply #386 on: June 04, 2010, 02:11:22 PM » |
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"Every time he goes out there," said one scout, "he's basically telling you, 'I'm finished here.' He's frustrated, and he's making it very obvious to everyone." Opposing scout on Roy |
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« Reply #387 on: June 04, 2010, 02:33:26 PM » |
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that may be my friend. he told me almost the same thing a couple of weeks ago, including "his body language is terrible." |
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OregonStrosFan
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« Reply #388 on: June 07, 2010, 03:16:27 PM » |
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Lastings Millege v 2.0: Rosenthal LinkThe Mets are so high on rookie infielder Ruben Tejada, their fill-in second baseman for the injured Luis Castillo, that they'd be reluctant to include him in a trade for a pitcher such as Astros right-hander Roy Oswalt. |
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« Reply #389 on: June 07, 2010, 06:01:27 PM » |
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Lastings Millege v 2.0: Rosenthal LinkThe Mets are so high on rookie infielder Ruben Tejada, their fill-in second baseman for the injured Luis Castillo, that they'd be reluctant to include him in a trade for a pitcher such as Astros right-hander Roy Oswalt.Tejada's a fantastic infielder who can definitely play short too. |
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« Reply #390 on: June 11, 2010, 04:35:07 PM » |
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From Olney's PPB:
Heard this: There are no ongoing Roy Oswalt trade talks.
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OregonStrosFan
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« Reply #391 on: June 11, 2010, 04:59:25 PM » |
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Footer (via Twitter):
NY media surrounding Roy, asking about trade request. Obviously they're trying to figure out if he wants Yankees. Roy taking high road. Roy's keeping it general. Wants to play for contender, focus now is helping Astros win, trade would help both him and Astros,blah blah blah. Roy says he doesn't care which league he pitches in. Admits he'd like to see how he'd do in AL, seeing everyone thinks it's harder than NL. Tomorrows headlines, of course, will scream OSWALT LOVES NY, WANTS YANKS, MISSES PETITTE. So prepare yourselves now.
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In the end, my dissolution with the game of baseball will not be a result of any loss of love for the game, rather from the realization that I can no longer bear the anger its supposed stewards cause to be built up in my soul. -Lee (01/08/2013)
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« Reply #392 on: June 11, 2010, 05:48:26 PM » |
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I'm more concerned this recent "success"the team has had will convinced drayton to hold 'em.
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« Reply #393 on: June 11, 2010, 10:26:46 PM » |
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Just remind Drayton that this is still the same team, minus Matsui, that has had 2 8-game losing streaks this season.
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« Reply #394 on: June 12, 2010, 12:25:32 AM » |
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Just remind Drayton that this is still the same team, minus Matsui, that has had 2 8-game losing streaks this season.
Yeah, but not counting those aberrations they're 25-21. That amounts to a competitive winning percentage in the perpetually weak NL central. And don't forget that this team's stars are the same who took them to the World Series in 2005. And Pedro Feliz is a reliable 80 RBI man. This is a championship-level team. And while I'm in this fantasy land, can I get an Altoids blowjob from Scarlett Johansson while riding a unicorn? |
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« Reply #395 on: June 12, 2010, 09:36:14 AM » |
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And while I'm in this fantasy land, can I get an Altoids blowjob from Scarlett Johansson while riding a unicorn?
I'll be in my bunk. |
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Matt
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« Reply #396 on: June 12, 2010, 11:22:06 AM » |
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Yeah, but not counting those aberrations they're 25-21. That amounts to a competitive winning percentage in the perpetually weak NL central. And don't forget that this team's stars are the same who took them to the World Series in 2005. And Pedro Feliz is a reliable 80 RBI man. This is a championship-level team. And while I'm in this fantasy land, can I get an Altoids blowjob from Scarlett Johansson while riding a unicorn?
Can we get some fan art? |
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« Reply #397 on: June 12, 2010, 02:31:24 PM » |
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And while I'm in this fantasy land, can I get an Altoids blowjob from Scarlett Johansson while riding a unicorn?
Curiously Strong. |
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« Reply #398 on: June 12, 2010, 05:55:00 PM » |
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if one had to pick, what would you choose to take lesser prospects in return for the salary relief, or assume more financial responsibility and get a higher pedigree of talent in return? it's not my money, but to me it seems to be more about restocking the farm system, so if i had to assume some of financial responsibility i'd do that.
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« Reply #399 on: June 12, 2010, 06:01:31 PM » |
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if one had to pick, what would you choose to take lesser prospects in return for the salary relief, or assume more financial responsibility and get a higher pedigree of talent in return? it's not my money, but to me it seems to be more about restocking the farm system, so if i had to assume some of financial responsibility i'd do that.
If the difference between getting one serious prospect or two is picking up, say, 50% of Roy's salary for the next two years, I'd pick up the salary. Of course, my definition of "serious" is somebody who has shown seriously above-league-average performance at AA. So I may be completely unreasonable. |
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I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
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