JimR
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 06:04:08 PM » |
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i do not give a shit any more. i have been tired of his bs for quite some time. just get good players in return.
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 06:05:37 PM » |
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It would help a lot if he was at least outside of the division. I hate the Braves, but less than the 3rds or the FTC, to be sure.
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 06:13:01 PM » |
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I wouldn't mind getting Beckham from the Pale Sox. I know he's sucked this year, but he can play (allegedly) 3rd or 2nd. Roy would be with manlove peavy, and it's not like the Sox have been shy to make trades even with slim shots at making the playoffs. It's not a rental with Roy O at least.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2010, 06:13:31 PM » |
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Not that it really matters this year, but it's kind of disheartening to hear your big 3 stars talk about being traded to a contender or retiring in the middle of fucking May.
Any logical person that follows the Astros knows that they have no chance at the playoffs this year, but that doesn't mean the players have to give up on the season 6 weeks into it.
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hostros7
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2010, 06:22:45 PM » |
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Not that it really matters this year, but it's kind of disheartening to hear your big 3 stars talk about being traded to a contender or retiring in the middle of fucking May.
Any logical person that follows the Astros knows that they have no chance at the playoffs this year, but that doesn't mean the players have to give up on the season 6 weeks into it.
Agreed. Just go do your job and let management do its and things will take care of themselves. |
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« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2010, 07:05:08 PM » |
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do you think if oswalt went to another team it would improve it to the point of winning in a playoff situeuaiton
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2010, 07:13:06 PM » |
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Agreed. Just go do your job and let management do its and things will take care of themselves.
He's being asked questions and he's answering them semi-honestly. Good enough for me. Besides, isn't Oswalt already a Met? |
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astrosfan76
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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2010, 07:15:01 PM » |
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I don't agree with that. Again, depends on the return.
My point is that if you trade one, you're throwing in the towel for next season, as well. You might as well call it rebuilding and trade both. I'm not advocating taking a junk offer, but you have to at least be willing to trade both in that situation. |
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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2010, 07:21:42 PM » |
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My point is that if you trade one, you're throwing in the towel for next season, as well. You might as well call it rebuilding and trade both. I'm not advocating taking a junk offer, but you have to at least be willing to trade both in that situation.
If you dont trade them, is next year really the target comeback year? |
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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2010, 07:29:53 PM » |
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Oswalt to STL, [insert random Jake slug in this slot] to PIT, Lastings Milledge to HOU. No WAY you could pass that up!!!
Perhaps Milledge is Oswalt's doppelganger. |
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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2010, 07:35:12 PM » |
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I'm not a big fan of this idea, trading Oswalt, but if they are going to do it, someone needs to tie Carlos Lee to the deal. That's my two cents.
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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2010, 08:16:42 PM » |
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I'm not a big fan of this idea, trading Oswalt, but if they are going to do it, someone needs to tie Carlos Lee to the deal. That's my two cents.
That'd be tough to do, considering Oswalt has a fairly big contract as well, and Lee's deal was heavily back-loaded. At that point it'd be more about eating salary- a lot of salary- to buy decent prospects, rather than getting a good package for Oswalt and not paying any salary. |
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astrosfan76
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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2010, 08:58:35 PM » |
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If you dont trade them, is next year really the target comeback year?
Not really, but they're not going to say otherwise if they go with the status quo. Trading even one of the two shows a shift in focus from "now, while building for the future" to just "building for the future." |
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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2010, 09:30:39 PM » |
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Not really, but they're not going to say otherwise if they go with the status quo. Trading even one of the two shows a shift in focus from "now, while building for the future" to just "building for the future."
But it's clear there is no "now", and anybody who actually believes that there is will be taken advantage of in a trade. |
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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2010, 10:15:37 PM » |
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astrosfan76
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2010, 08:58:38 AM » |
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But it's clear there is no "now", and anybody who actually believes that there is will be taken advantage of in a trade.
True, there is no "now," but Wade's orders since day 1 have been to field a contender now while building for the future. Even going into this season, that has been the direction taken/advertised. Trading a star (with no obvious replacement) tells everyone that the team is giving up on that idea. We can only hope we could find a team to take advantage of. |
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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2010, 12:25:10 PM » |
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True, there is no "now," but Wade's orders since day 1 have been to field a contender now while building for the future. Even going into this season, that has been the direction taken/advertised. Trading a star (with no obvious replacement) tells everyone that the team is giving up on that idea. We can only hope we could find a team to take advantage of.
Methinks the fans are on to the Astros not being competitive enough to make the playoffs this year (despite the Foghorn pleas to the contrary). If there were not, the turnstiles would be turning and McLane would be saying "Oswalt is going nowhere as long as I'm the owner". Or something like that. I like that the Astros *ARE* building for the future with their High A and AA players, but they're going to need more. This may be an opportunity more than a bad idea. It all depends on your perspective I suppose, but this may be a win-win if you're a fan of Oswalt. He gets to go where he wants to go, primarily a World Series contender, and Houston gets to get better really quicker than two years and a hope the prospects pan out. Would Philly or Tampa Bay be a destination? Especially Philly if they get wind that Oswalt may be a fit in St. Louis? |
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2010, 02:01:28 PM » |
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Methinks the fans are on to the Astros not being competitive enough to make the playoffs this year (despite the Foghorn pleas to the contrary). If there were not, the turnstiles would be turning and McLane would be saying "Oswalt is going nowhere as long as I'm the owner". Or something like that. I like that the Astros *ARE* building for the future with their High A and AA players, but they're going to need more. This may be an opportunity more than a bad idea.
It all depends on your perspective I suppose, but this may be a win-win if you're a fan of Oswalt. He gets to go where he wants to go, primarily a World Series contender, and Houston gets to get better really quicker than two years and a hope the prospects pan out. Would Philly or Tampa Bay be a destination? Especially Philly if they get wind that Oswalt may be a fit in St. Louis?
The Rays have a 2.80-something ERA as a team right now, and all 5 of their starters are doing well. Maybe if somebody struggles a bit, and they decide they want a guy like Oswalt to provide some leadership (or at least "veteran presence")? The Phils seem like they could use Oswalt for sure, though they may be reluctant to gut their prospects for a third straight year. |
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astrosfan76
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2010, 02:35:54 PM » |
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The Rays have a 2.80-something ERA as a team right now, and all 5 of their starters are doing well. Maybe if somebody struggles a bit, and they decide they want a guy like Oswalt to provide some leadership (or at least "veteran presence")? The Phils seem like they could use Oswalt for sure, though they may be reluctant to gut their prospects for a third straight year. I wouldn't oppose taking Dominic Brown off their hands if they were willing. It's hard to size up the market right now. Most "true contenders" either don't have the money, the need, or the prospects to swing a deal. The Rangers could end up as the best fit, if they can find an owner. |
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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2010, 03:11:14 PM » |
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I wouldn't oppose taking Dominic Brown off their hands if they were willing.
It's hard to size up the market right now. Most "true contenders" either don't have the money, the need, or the prospects to swing a deal. The Rangers could end up as the best fit, if they can find an owner.
The Rangers ownership situation should be cleared up by July. So says Selig but at this point it wouldn't totally surprise me if not. Apparantly, it's a mess. |
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