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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2007, 10:54:13 PM » |
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Did Bourn play a lot of CF in the minors? or college? He only paid 12 games in CF only 50-some innings. No doubt he will get some looks there and a chance to compete for that spot. He's played more LF than anything else. So, I wouldn't say the Astros are done looking at CFers. They just have another option if they don't land anther CF, and/or they trade off some of the other OF's. If Geary has a year closer to the 2006, he should really help the bullpen. Of course they need a closer now. The Astros also got a 3rd base prospect with some pop.
Bourn only played LF in philly because of Aaron Rowand and the fact pat burrell is a butcher in LF. He is a CF by trade first. |
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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2007, 10:56:55 PM » |
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Bourn only played LF in philly because of Aaron Rowand and the fact pat burrell is a butcher in LF. He is a CF by trade first.
I'm curious why the Phil's are letting this guy go with Rowand probably not coming back. |
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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2007, 11:01:32 PM » |
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Yeahn boy. Zero assists. Cancel the deal.
Holy shit. What is up with you guys?
WFW, cougar.
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2007, 11:01:56 PM » |
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2007, 11:09:23 PM » |
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i don't know what it is..... but the name. costanzo. it's like a jingle. i can't get it out of my head! co-o-o-o-o stan zo! |
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2007, 11:09:42 PM » |
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I love this deal, filling needs (with speed, defense, leadoff hitter) for guys who werent gonna be here after their 6 year player control (Lidge) and someone easily replaced (bruntlett). Bourne can be cemented as the leadoff guy and centerfielder while Geary will add another sinker arm like Qualls to the pen, I imagine Wade isn't done touching up the pen but I think Qualls could get it done closing. Makes me wish Purp hadn't dealt Wheeler yet so Wade coulda gotten more for him like this...
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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2007, 11:11:40 PM » |
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i don't know what it is.....
but the name. costanzo. it's like a jingle.
i can't get it out of my head!
co-o-o-o-o
stan
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Just wait til Milo calls him Costanzy. Wonder what he'll do with Bourn? |
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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2007, 11:12:36 PM » |
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Well in that case, it was a fantastic deal indeed.
Well, if I didn't say that, then I could be accused of deceiving you. I think that he was rated so high was because there was a real chance of him getting playing time this season in Philly with the 3rd base situation being so bad there. |
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2007, 11:15:36 PM » |
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Bruntlett and Lidge to Philly for Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary, and minor leaguer Mike Costanzo. Not a particularly great return IMO, and we now have an even bigger hole at the back of the bully.
If bullpen depth is our biggest problem for 2008, we'll be in much better shape for next season. I think we got pretty good return. Seems like a nice job by the GM(s). I'm amazed the Astros got 5 years out of Lidge without him breaking down somehow. |
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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2007, 11:16:42 PM » |
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Well, this looks like a very good trade. Fills a need at center and at the top of the lineup. Adds a thirdbase prospect which the organization needs. Adds a decent cheap reliever(unfortunately right handed but can't have everything). And frees up money to go towards the new gaping hole that the free agent market can actually fill. Wade lands a top reliever off the market and this trade is outstanding.
Feel bad for Lidge though. Philly is not the city of brotherly love.
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« Reply #50 on: November 07, 2007, 11:19:51 PM » |
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I'm curious why the Phil's are letting this guy go with Rowand probably not coming back.
especially with Pat Burrell being the only for sure starter |
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« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2007, 11:20:57 PM » |
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This link is interesting. Phil's seemed quite content with Myers remaining in the closer role and were only looking at Bourne as a part-time OFer, probably not even in CF. http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071105&content_id=2292609&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi
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« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2007, 11:27:23 PM » |
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This link is interesting. Phil's seemed quite content with Myers remaining in the closer role and were only looking at Bourne as a part-time OFer, probably not even in CF. http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071105&content_id=2292609&vkey=news_phi&fext=.jsp&c_id=phi
didn't notice his splits vs. lefties 154 avr and 241on base in 30abs, yeah a sample size but he rakes on righties just kinda weird |
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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2007, 11:54:40 PM » |
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Just wait til Milo calls him Costanzy. Wonder what he'll do with Bourn?
he'll come up with something that will no doubt make bourn want to lose his identity. (is it too soon for this?) |
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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2007, 12:00:00 AM » |
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Yikes. Hope he gets on base in the upper .300s, otherwise they just traded an elite closer for Juan Pierre.
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2007, 12:00:29 AM » |
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especially with Pat Burrell being the only for sure starter
Any reason you don't think Victorino is? |
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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2007, 12:05:22 AM » |
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Yikes. Hope he gets on base in the upper .300s, otherwise they just traded an elite closer for Juan Pierre.
Depends on which Juan Pierre you get. The 2004 vintage is quite nice. I'm just excited that this frees up more cash with which to pursue Castillo, who has become my major man-crush this offseason. Ponder this: CF Bourn 2B Castillo 1B Berkman LF Lee RF Pence 3B Wigginton C Towles SS Everett It's not a murder's row, but it's a damn solid lineup. Plus, Castillo can lead off if Bourn needs time to get comfortable in that role. |
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« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2007, 05:49:54 AM » |
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Why is that a bad trade other than folks live to bitch? We would have given them Qualls and Scott for Bourne at the deadline. Lidge faltered at the end, and Ransom can replace Bruntlett.
We got our target CFer. We need a closer, but come on, people. Many of you were willing to draw and quarter Lidge in September.
I like what we are trying to do.
Coach, you're so right. Lidge needed a change of scenery. As much as I loved Bruntlett, he proved to me that he can not be an effective every day player on the offensive end. Sure, we need a closer, but as we all discussed here many times, we needed an effective closer last season. |
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2007, 07:28:13 AM » |
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When did Jim start capitalizing anything other than proper nouns?
He's posting from his cell phone. It capitalizes the first letter for him after periods. This is not some imposter........... |
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2007, 07:47:08 AM » |
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I don't think we should worry about the BP just yet. The offseason is still very young. There's no reason to believe it will stay as-is, especially since they just traded away one of the prime components. I'd be very surprised if more BP moves, perhaps of some major significance, don't come along before February.
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