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« Reply #320 on: November 09, 2007, 03:24:39 PM » |
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I don't post anywhere else.
despite that fact, i mean. (rim shot) |
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« Reply #321 on: November 09, 2007, 03:25:58 PM » |
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Exactly. And Barry Zito was the FA pitcher equivalent of Carlos Lee last year. I'd say Zito is much more overpaid than Lee. On the other hand, as has been discussed at length on this site, it is perhaps not ideal to have two slow-moving sluggers with limited fielding ability on an NL team, so in that sense maybe you could argue signing Lee was a mistake.
I think you could argue very strongly that Lee was worth his money alot more than Zito was worth his. Both on pre-07 and 07 performances. Zito had been showing that his numbers were sliding while Lee was showing at the very least a steady production of quality. Zito is still living off of one spectacular year (when he won the Cy) and a good 1-2 years leading up to it. But since he has been sliding more and more to mediocre and was paid like an Ace, even in today's wild spending. Lee was paid like a strong hitter, but just shy of the elite levels. And I think he has performed like one. And time will tell how each will actually do over the lifetime of their contracts, but Lee looks like a safer bet to meet expectation than Zito at this point. |
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« Reply #322 on: November 09, 2007, 03:28:57 PM » |
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I see Bourn as more of a long-term investment than Scott for precisely this reason. Scott, closing in on 30, has precisely one and a half decent major league seasons under his belt. With the inconsistency he's shown, I don't know if he could be counted on as an everyday player. To be even more precise, he has about a tenth of one season, a third of a second season and a bit more than half of a third season under his belt. I'd be more worried relying on him to fill a full-time job in right field than I am about Bourn filling a full-time role in center field. Not that Bourn and Scott might not prove this sentiment to be incorrect. |
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« Reply #323 on: November 09, 2007, 03:31:39 PM » |
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despite that fact, i mean. Indeed. |
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« Reply #324 on: November 09, 2007, 03:37:13 PM » |
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I think you could argue very strongly that Lee was worth his money alot more than Zito was worth his. Both on pre-07 and 07 performances. Zito had been showing that his numbers were sliding while Lee was showing at the very least a steady production of quality. Zito is still living off of one spectacular year (when he won the Cy) and a good 1-2 years leading up to it. But since he has been sliding more and more to mediocre and was paid like an Ace, even in today's wild spending. Lee was paid like a strong hitter, but just shy of the elite levels. And I think he has performed like one. And time will tell how each will actually do over the lifetime of their contracts, but Lee looks like a safer bet to meet expectation than Zito at this point. Lee did just what the Astros probably were expecting him to do. As for long-term expectations, I doubt many teams sign a player for a contract that long without figuring that they're going to be paying more in the later years than an aging player's performance merits. Part of the price of getting the player up front is to guarantee him security later on. |
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"For Williams to have distributed all his hits so they did nobody else any good would constitute a feat of placement unparalleled in the annals of selfishness."
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« Reply #325 on: November 09, 2007, 03:43:25 PM » |
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Is the poll oddly worded? If I hope he never posts again, my answer would be yes. If I would like him to post again, then my answer would be no. What if I don't care whether he posts or not?
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« Reply #326 on: November 09, 2007, 03:46:45 PM » |
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Is the poll oddly worded? If I hope he never posts again, my answer would be yes. If I would like him to post again, then my answer would be no. What if I don't care whether he posts or not? Aren't opinion polls deceptively worded on purpose? |
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"For Williams to have distributed all his hits so they did nobody else any good would constitute a feat of placement unparalleled in the annals of selfishness."
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« Reply #327 on: November 09, 2007, 04:00:55 PM » |
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Aren't opinion polls deceptively worded on purpose?
Would or wouldn't you fail to confirm that you agree with the precise wording, if not the intent, of your previous statement? |
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« Reply #328 on: November 09, 2007, 04:01:42 PM » |
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Aren't opinion polls deceptively worded on purpose?
Is this the first OWA poll? I don't remember ever seeing one, and it has real possibilities. For instance, "do you plan to eat a chili pie before opening day?" and "should the official food of the Talk Zone be chili pie or tamales?" |
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« Reply #329 on: November 09, 2007, 04:10:46 PM » |
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Is this the first OWA poll? I don't remember ever seeing one, and it has real possibilities. For instance, "do you plan to eat a chili pie before opening day?" and "should the official food of the Talk Zone be chili pie or tamales?"
I vote we replace the other poll with Neil's poll suggestion. Bravo Neil... BRAVO. |
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« Reply #330 on: November 09, 2007, 04:22:25 PM » |
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Aren't opinion polls deceptively worded on purpose?
In almost every case. It's like Trivial Pursuit: the answer they want is in the question. |
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« Reply #331 on: November 09, 2007, 04:35:41 PM » |
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Have you ever tried sugar or PCP?
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« Reply #332 on: November 09, 2007, 05:47:33 PM » |
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Pretty good summation. Had I wrote it, it would've been just a tad longer... like maybe 10,000 more words... per paragraph!
BTW - you mentioned Towles. One thing about the trade of Brad Lidge, it was apparent that his slider was so nasty, it was not only unhittable... it was uncatchable. ... Fucking genius analysis. Only in the TZ. Some of you might not be able to breath the air here, but this is dead on. |
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« Reply #333 on: November 09, 2007, 05:52:20 PM » |
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...They're just *NOT* the answer for a CF job in Minute Maid Park. Anyone with two eyes could see that and truth be told, Josh Anderson was damn good in his short time patrolling the expanse at the MMPUS. Bourn will be better....
Oh. Really? At the beginning of last season Jose de Jesus Ortiz told us that Hunter Pence was a natural centerfielder. Wouldn't let anybody convince him otherwise. By the way, Bourne, nicknamed, Burnie, as in jalapeno gas. |
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« Reply #334 on: November 09, 2007, 10:06:24 PM » |
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By the way, Bourne, nicknamed, Burnie, as in jalapeno gas.
Is this something you know for a fact, or is this something that you just pulled out of your ass? |
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« Reply #335 on: November 11, 2007, 11:13:44 PM » |
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What makes him an idiot? I may not agree with the substance of his post, but it wasn't inflammatory or insulting.
anyone who pulls the old "you guys/we" routine is an el idiota in my libro. |
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« Reply #336 on: November 12, 2007, 07:28:02 AM » |
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anyone who pulls the old "you guys/we" routine is an el idiota in my libro.
agreed. the old "i'm just here to talk baseball and, btw, your GM is a dumbass" routine from another team's fan wears thin quickly. |
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