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[Burzmali]

Bourn will save more runs than Scott likely will.

Yeah, that's valid. I hope he saves enough to balance the loss of production.

[JimR]

Scott produces better than Bourn likely will.

idiotic post.

[Noe in Austin]

Yeah, that's valid. I hope he saves enough to balance the loss of production.

What "loss of production"?  Luke Scott did not hit leadoff on this team.

[Noe in Austin]

idiotic post.

It is devoid of lineup construction and myopic.

[JimR]

It is devoid of lineup construction and myopic.

total lack of understanding of putting a team together.

[MusicMan]

total lack of understanding of putting a team together.

I understand it.  You get 14 rounds, right?  And who ever draft first in the first round, drafts last in the second round?

Or is this one of them fancy "auction" leagues?

[Froback]

Yeah, that's valid. I hope he saves enough to balance the loss of production.

Look if Luke was all that, then why was the team even bothering to look at Josh Anderson at the end of last year?  Scott was not playing but Pence and Lee were still getting their normal ABs.  So putting that all together the club viewed Scott as the 3rd best of Pence, Lee and Scott... AND that they needed to see Josh Anderson play a little at the Major League level.  Now, if they were happy with Scott and planned on him being the starter for 08, why would they give 2 shits about Anderson and seeing him play, unless they were going to move Lee or Pence to make room for him?  AND if they were planning on doing that, why was Scott not playing everyday instead so they could see them playing together (Scott and Anderson)?

The reason.... Scott was NOT part of their future plans except as a back-up option if all others failed.  Scott was even losing time to Jason Lane in 07!!!!  While I like Scott well enough, he is not what everyone wants to make him out to be.  He was a decent #6 hitter, but not consistent enough to be a decent #5.  He played ok defense in RF, but definitely couldn't play CF, which is why Pence was there, and Lane before him.

Scott, like it or not is destined to be a good 4th OFer on a contending club or a decent 3rd OFer on a non-contending club.  To think he is more than that, is to admit you don't watch the games and only go by small sample sized stats.

It is AMAZING how 1 red-hot spring training can carry a guy for years in some fan's eyes!!!

[Burzmali]

What a nice circle jerk there Jim and Noe!

I understand that he bats leadoff. It's still substituting Scott for less production. If Lee was being bumped out of the lineup for Bourn, wouldn't you say that there would be a decrease of production? Or because he doesn't bad leadoff there wouldn't be a loss?

[MusicMan]

What a nice circle jerk there Jim and Noe!

I understand that he bats leadoff. It's still substituting Scott for less production. If Lee was being bumped out of the lineup for Bourn, wouldn't you say that there would be a decrease of production? Or because he doesn't bad leadoff there wouldn't be a loss?

They needed a CF.  They needed a leadoff hitter.  Scott was neither of these things.
Lee was set in LF.  They want Pence in RF.  Therefore, unless the Astros are moving to the AL, Scott had no place in the lineup.

So how is his production "lost"?

[Taras Bulba]

What a nice circle jerk there Jim and Noe!

I understand that he bats leadoff. It's still substituting Scott for less production. If Lee was being bumped out of the lineup for Bourn, wouldn't you say that there would be a decrease of production? Or because he doesn't bad leadoff there wouldn't be a loss?

They can move Luke to short.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Burzmali]

They needed a CF.  They needed a leadoff hitter.  Scott was neither of these things.
Lee was set in LF.  They want Pence in RF.  Therefore, unless the Astros are moving to the AL, Scott had no place in the lineup.

So how is his production "lost"?

Before the trade, the starting outfield was Lee / Pence / Scott. Barring any trades or FA acquisitions, that would have been the opening day lineup. Because the post-trade lineup replaces Scott with a less productive hitter, production is lost.

[Noe in Austin]

What a nice circle jerk there Jim and Noe!

Why, because we agree that you are looking at this devoid of lineup construction?  Then call out the Houston Astros for the same thing.

I understand that he bats leadoff.

Not judging by your comments.

It's still substituting Scott for less production.

*sigh*, Scott does not hit leadoff.

If Lee was being bumped out of the lineup for Bourn, wouldn't you say that there would be a decrease of production? Or because he doesn't bad leadoff there wouldn't be a loss?

Lee bats cleanup.  Who bats cleanup when Lee is bumped from the outfield rotation?  Don't blame it on the leadoff guy that the cleanup man gets bumped, blame it on the guy who *now* hits cleanup if... *IF*... there is a bump downward in production.  Simple question, simple answers... where you should concentrate.  But I doubt you can.

[JimR]

What a nice circle jerk there Jim and Noe!

I understand that he bats leadoff. It's still substituting Scott for less production. If Lee was being bumped out of the lineup for Bourn, wouldn't you say that there would be a decrease of production? Or because he doesn't bad leadoff there wouldn't be a loss?

you no longer are a viable option for me to read. your Berkman at #2 suggestion demonstrates how clueless you are.

you're a fantasy player for sure.

[MusicMan]

Before the trade, the starting outfield was Lee / Pence / Scott. Barring any trades or FA acquisitions, that would have been the opening day lineup. Because the post-trade lineup replaces Scott with a less productive hitter, production is lost.

In a word... bullshit.

In the imaginary world you have set up... who would have hit leadoff?

[Astroholic]

In a word... bullshit.

In the imaginary world you have set up... who would have hit leadoff?

Why Capn' Crunch of coarse.

[ckutac]

Before the trade, the starting outfield was Lee / Pence / Scott.

WRONG!!!!  Before the trade the starting OF was: Lee/Pence/Josh Anderson.  With luke Scott as out #4 OF.

Barring any trades or FA acquisitions, that would have been the opening day lineup.

Their was ZERO chance of the Houston Astros not making some sort of move because the moment that Ed Wade took over as GM was the moment that Hunter Pence's days as a CFer were finished.  Had we not signed anyone or traded for anyone, we would have had exactly ONE CFer on our roster next year, Josh Anderson.

Because the post-trade lineup replaces Scott with a less productive hitter, production is lost.

Hunter Pence replaced Luke Scott in the lineup, that is a HUGE gain in production.  Michael Bourn will battle and most likely replace Josh Anderson in the lineup, worst case scenario is we get no added offensive help as Anderson says in the lineup.  Most likely scenario is that Bourn and his upgraded offense replace Josh Anderson as our CFer, yet a SECOND offensive upgrade.

[Burzmali]

In a word... bullshit.

In the imaginary world you have set up... who would have hit leadoff?

If the Astros didn't make this trade who would have hit leadoff? If they didn't make an addition, would they have just forfeited the season for lack of a leadoff hitter?

[Noe in Austin]

If the Astros didn't make this trade who would have hit leadoff?

Josh Anderson was a consideration.  Chris Burke too.  That is CF or 2nd base.  Or they go hard for a FA CF who could bat leadoff.  Not many were available, so they went to look for a 2nd who could do the same.  Either way, they figured that Burke nor Anderson were complete answers for the leadoff spot.

If they didn't make an addition, would they have just forfeited the season for lack of a leadoff hitter?

You're just being stupid now.  Why?

[Ty in Tampa]

If the Astros didn't make this trade who would have hit leadoff? If they didn't make an addition, would they have just forfeited the season for lack of a leadoff hitter?

Why the fuck do you think they make trades? You've circled the stupid block and are back where you started.

[Noe in Austin]

In a word... bullshit.

In the imaginary world you have set up... who would have hit leadoff?

I'm fully expecting to read either Burke, Berkman or Pence.  Because as we all should know already, Chris Burke is going to have his breakout season in 08, Pence bats second and Luke Scott hits #5 and makes all the plays in CF...errr... wait, no he doesn't.  But Pence does in CF... errr... wait, no he doesn't.  Well, at least Scott in RF makes all the.... errr... wait, no, that isn't really a good defense either.

Oh hell, who the fuck *CARES* about defense any way!?!?!  Up th emiddle defense... *pshaw*.   Support your pitching... screw that! Fanta-crap baseball is about offense baby.